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# Line 451  o Twingle! Line 553  o Twingle!
553    o twingle -> dispatchmail (Twingle::Mail)    o twingle -> dispatchmail (Twingle::Mail)
554    o twingle -> twingledoc (Twingle::Doc)    o twingle -> twingledoc (Twingle::Doc)
555    
556  o refactor to "twingled/":  o update www.netfrag.org
557    o http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/topics/    o refactor to "twingled/":
558    o http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/SampleTasks/      o http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/topics/
559  o update http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/topics.html      o http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/SampleTasks/
560      o update http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/topics.html
561    
562  x re-enable Yakka  x re-enable Yakka
563    
# Line 613  x setup org.droogs--Autodia: location ht Line 716  x setup org.droogs--Autodia: location ht
716            
717  o quick (javascript) search for netfrag.org and packages.debian.org (xul?)  o quick (javascript) search for netfrag.org and packages.debian.org (xul?)
718    
719  o phpDirectoryIndex: include Joshua Eichhorns 'auth' [[http://cvs.joshuaeichorn.com/cvsweb.cgi/auth/]]  o phpDirectoryIndex:
720      o integrate Joshua Eichhorns 'auth' [[http://cvs.joshuaeichorn.com/cvsweb.cgi/auth/]]
721      o hide more entries: e.g. 'CVS' (declare as "cvs-repository-metadata" - "hidden by default")
722    
723  @lookat http://cvs.joshuaeichorn.com/cvsweb.cgi/phpXmlTransform/  @lookat http://cvs.joshuaeichorn.com/cvsweb.cgi/phpXmlTransform/
724    
# Line 669  o autozoom/runzoom Line 774  o autozoom/runzoom
774    o from (e.g. test6/)    o from (e.g. test6/)
775    o to (e.g. test6/zoomed/)    o to (e.g. test6/zoomed/)
776    
777    o global "last-recent-error"-page for admin to view errors occouring
778      ->SystemErrors
779      ->StepProcessing: ./.runrc: update|build|publish
780    
781    o clean up disks!!!
782      o h1.service.netfrag.org
783      o quepasa.netfrag.org
784    
785    o natraj/sorceress: server-consolidation?
786    
787    o monitor regularly: http://netfrag.org/docs/code/api/org.netfrag/errors.html
788    
789    o DataSource::Generic <-> ObjectList!!!
790    
791    o Yakka: (javascript-control):
792      o let CTRL + ENTER make a new para
793      o let CTRL + CTRL (double-hit) make a new page from WikiWord left of the cursor (splash into a new DHTML page!)
794    
795    x root@quepasa:/data# apt-get install pdumpfs
796    
797    o final solution for the libxml-problem?
798      root@quepasa:/home/service/backup# apt-get --fix-broken --show-upgraded --simulate dist-upgrade
799        Reading Package Lists... Done
800        Building Dependency Tree... Done
801        Correcting dependencies... Done
802        Calculating Upgrade... Done
803        The following packages will be REMOVED:
804          libxslt1 php4-domxml
805        0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
806        Remv libxslt1 (1.0.27-1 ) [php4-domxml ]
807        Remv php4-domxml (4:4.2.3-11 )
808      root@quepasa:/tmp# apt-get install pdumpfs
809        Reading Package Lists... Done
810        Building Dependency Tree... Done
811        You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
812        Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
813          libxslt1: Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.5.0-1) but 2.4.19-4 is to be installed
814          php4-domxml: Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.5.0-1) but 2.4.19-4 is to be installed
815        E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
816      x dpkg --force-depends -r libxml2
817      o dpkg-liftpackage libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386.deb 2.5.0-1
818        x dpkg-deb -x libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386.deb fakepkg
819        x dpkg-deb -e libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386.deb
820        x mv DEBIAN fakepkg/
821        x dpkg-deb --build fakepkg libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386_fake_2.5.0-1.deb
822        x dpkg -i libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386_fake_2.5.0-1.deb
823    
824    o update www.netfrag.org
825    o announce on www.netfrag.org
826      o api-doc
827      o packages.netfrag.org (libxml2!)
828      o autogenerate:
829        o api-doc & diags
830        o twingle
831    
832    o ->search.netfrag.org/ruby
833    
834    o install and use 'monit' to monitor uml's!
835    
836    o refactor Yakka::YakkaSetup
837    
838    o quepasa - Error: AMaViS
839    
840       <screen>
841        Starting AMaViS Daemons: amavis-milter amavisd
842        Can't locate Razor/Client.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0 /usr/share/perl/5.8.0 /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 54.
843        BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 54.
844       </screen>
845    
846      - probably because of perl-5.8.0?
847    
848      x apt-get install razor   #)§$&(
849      solution:
850        x dpkg --force-depends -r razor
851        x wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/razor/razor_1.20-1_all.deb
852        x dpkg -i razor_1.20-1_all.deb
853         => depends on 'libtime-hires-perl', so:
854          x wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libt/libtime-hires-perl/libtime-hires-perl_1.20-4_i386.deb
855          x dpkg -i libtime-hires-perl_1.20-4_i386.deb
856            dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libtime-hires-perl:
857             libtime-hires-perl depends on perlapi-5.6.0; however:
858              Package perlapi-5.6.0 is not installed.
859              ;-( /)(%(/$%%&$
860        => removing dependencies about everything from razor1-package
861          x dpkg -x razor_1.20-1_all.deb razor
862          x dpkg -r razor_1.20-1_all.deb
863          x mv DEBIAN/ razor/
864          x do: remove line 'Depends:' from DEBIAN/control
865          [x chmod -R 0755 razor/DEBIAN/] maybe!  (if: dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775))
866          x dpkg -b razor razor_1.20-1_all_nodeps.deb
867          x cp razor_1.20-1_all_nodeps.deb /data/Packages/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/
868        =>
869          x dpkg -i /data/Packages/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/razor_1.20-1_all_nodeps.deb
870        => [test]
871          x /etc/init.d/amavis-milter start
872           <screen>
873            Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so' for module Time::HiRes: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so: undefined symbol: PL_stack_max at /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/DynaLoader.pm line 225.
874             at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 46
875            Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 46.
876            BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 46.      
877           </screen>
878        => [CPAN-install]
879          x perl -MCPAN -e "install Time::HiRes"
880           <screen>
881              [...]
882              compile -- compile -- compile
883              [...]
884              Running make install
885              Installing /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so
886              Files found in blib/arch: installing files in blib/lib into architecture dependent library tree
887              Installing /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/Time/HiRes.pm
888              Installing /usr/share/man/man3/Time::HiRes.3pm
889              Writing /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/auto/Time/HiRes/.packlist
890              Appending installation info to /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/perllocal.pod
891                /usr/bin/make install  -- OK
892           </screen>
893    
894      x probably because of perl-5.8.0? yes!  --  is it fixed now? let's try...  (again)
895          x /etc/init.d/amavis-milter restart
896            no! same error as above!
897          the problem is:
898          watch the output of 'perl -V' - at the bottom:
899          <screen>
900            Characteristics of this binary (from libperl):
901              Compile-time options: MULTIPLICITY USE_ITHREADS USE_LARGE_FILES PERL_IMPLICIT_CONTEXT
902              Built under linux
903              Compiled at Feb 17 2003 12:38:57
904              @INC:
905                /etc/perl
906                /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.0
907                /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.0
908                /usr/lib/perl5
909                /usr/share/perl5
910                /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0
911                /usr/share/perl/5.8.0
912                /usr/local/lib/site_perl
913                .
914          </screen>
915    
916          The bad one is the "old" shared object coming with Time::HiRes for perl-5.6.1 living at
917          /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so.
918          
919          We have these options:
920            1. delete this stuff
921            2. put a better version at '.'
922            3. place line '/usr/lib/perl/5.8.0' above of '/usr/lib/perl5'
923            4. copy stuff from '/usr/lib/perl/5.8.0' to '/usr/lib/perl5'
924          
925          Hmmm.....
926            I think i'll choose option 1.:
927            x rm -rf /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time/HiRes
928            (or if you don't wanna be as brute-force)
929            x cd /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time
930            x mv HiRes HiRes.old
931            
932        => let's try again:      
933          x /etc/init.d/amavis-milter restart
934            Time::HiRes object version 1.42 does not match bootstrap parameter 01.20 at /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/DynaLoader.pm line 245.
935    
936        => ahhh...  (also testable via 'perl -MTime::HiRes')
937          x dpkg --force-depends -r libtime-hires-perl
938          => my fault! ;-)
939    
940      => so, everything works fine now....
941          x /etc/init.d/amavis-milter restart
942        
943    o BER.pm:  BER (Basic Encoding Rules) encoding and decoding.
944    
945    o use a common [[http://razor.sourceforge.net/artistic.html|"Artistic License"]]?
946    
947    o use pdumpfs!
948    
949    o what we build seems similar to Torque <-> Maven  (Tangram|XyZ+Data::Storage <-> nfo-libs|rap)
950    
951    o write meta-documentation about why it's required to lift version-numbers of debian-packages
952      -> Why dpkg-liftversion?
953      1. yakka: libxml2!!!
954      2. amavis-milter: razor-1-branch-required
955    
956    o installing pdumpfs as system-wide backup-system:
957      x mkdir -p /home/service/virtual/pdumpfs/var/data
958      x mkdir -p /home/service/virtual/pdumpfs/var/log
959      x cd /usr/local/bin
960      x ln -s /home/service/virtual/pdumpfs/backup .
961    
962    o feature: BrowsableBackup:
963      o missing: authentication via LDAP....
964    
965    o make up toolpack from shortcuts/*, dispatchmail, backup (->pdumpfs), etc...
966      ->packages.service.netfrag.org
967      -->/usr/local/bin
968      
969    o one account - three services:
970      o wiki
971      o news
972      o backup
973      (o ssh) (not-a-must)
974    
975    o dpkg-modcontrol!!!
976    
977    o robinson - purge package dependencies from .deb- or .rpm-packages
978      can alien do that?
979    
980    o rsync working: view from the server-side:
981     3968 ?        R      0:40 rsync --server --sender -vulogDtprz . /home/service/backup/
982    
983    x finally: we have a backup-system!
984      - built on top of pdumpfs (ruby!), gets triggered by cron through shortcut-script 'backup'
985      - backs up:
986        x /home/*   (except /home/service)
987        x /data/bin  (approx. 9.2M)
988        x /data/libs  (approx. 1.7M)
989        x /data/opt  (approx. 27M)
990        o /data/var  (approx. 104M)
991          o mysql-db
992          o news-spool
993        o /data/www  (approx. 126M)
994          x /data/www/virtual/lashlarue  (approx. 28M)
995          x /data/www/virtual/netfrag  (approx. 68M)
996          x /data/www/virtual/wac  (approx. 4M)
997      o productive backup should go to /var/pdumpfs (similar to /var/backup) instead of /home/service/virtual/pdumpfs!!!
998      o prevent recursive backups (what happens if the backup directory itself would be specified to backup???)
999      => #> crontab -e
1000            adding line: 03 03 * * * bash /home/service/virtual/agent/backup_all
1001      o limit size of files that are backuped without user-request!?! (2MB, 10MB, 100MB, 1G)
1002    
1003    o establish logfile-rotation with logrotate!!!
1004      #> cd /data/www/virtual/lashlarue/log
1005      #> gzip access_log
1006      #> gzip error_log
1007    
1008    o more todos:
1009      x clean more diskspace
1010        - How to find files larger than, hmm, let's say: 512MB?
1011          use 'dus'! [Disk Usage Sorter]
1012          http://marginalhacks.com/bin/dus
1013        - now disk-usage-stats are prepared to be generated at service.netfrag.org (dus/fbf)
1014    
1015        - h1.service.netfrag.org
1016          /dev/hda7             38570848  33162404   5408444  86% /
1017    
1018    
1019        o /home/uml/skels aufräumen!
1020      o draw more diagrams
1021      o let 'monit' monitor our umls
1022        - together with heartbeat!
1023      o make more backups
1024        databases: code (repository) and rdbms-sql (mysql)
1025    
1026    o look in /var/log/syslog after crash! (other logfiles?)
1027    
1028    o h1.service.netfrag.org:
1029      rjoko@h1:/home/uml/helo # monit
1030      monit: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1031      rjoko@h1:/home/uml/helo # deleeeeete backup!!! is it reeaaady?
1032    
1033    x h1.service.netfrag.org - ssh-upgrade [security] (2.9p2 -> 2.9.9p2)
1034      rjoko@h1:~ # ssh -V
1035      OpenSSH_2.9p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090602f  
1036      rjoko@h1:~ # rpm -U ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/7.3/sec1/openssh.rpm
1037      rjoko@h1:~ # ssh -V
1038      OpenSSH_2.9.9p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090602f
1039    
1040    o what about legolas?
1041    
1042    o search-shortcut to rpmfind.net
1043    
1044    o request to hetzner:
1045      please delete handle "CNO: MM458-ABC"...
1046    
1047    o update www.netfrag.org
1048      o prevent errors like seen on http://netfrag.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/joko/virtual/joko_mail/
1049    
1050    o update www.netfrag.org
1051      x HomePage (phpWiki::Index): remove yakka's "to be repaired" - line
1052      o Overview: add link to DocumentIndex at section 'Documentation'
1053      x update links (jonen's docs/software, etc.)
1054      o rename http://netfrag.org/docs/build/ to http://netfrag.org/docs/.build/ or http://netfrag.org/docs/@build/
1055      o rename http://netfrag.org/docs/topics/caesar/ to http://netfrag.org/docs/topics/sysadmin/ ???
1056      x add new items to sections
1057      x update/enhance news-section (Overview, Details)
1058    
1059    o run broken-link-finder on www.netfrag.org
1060      -> find nice project!
1061    
1062    o infra for www.netfrag.org
1063      o make this shortcut possible: http://netfrag.org/Overview
1064    
1065    o account for jonen@www.netfrag.org--phpWiki::*
1066    
1067    o twingle:
1068      render 'o' and/or 'x' symbols as checkboxes other users can use to enable/prioritize tasks
1069    
1070    o backup eagle.netfrag.org!!!
1071    
1072    o enhance backup-system
1073      LookAt::http://www.netfrag.org/webnews/article.php?id=320&group=nfo.links.computing
1074    
1075    o LookAt = MIME-compliant multi-glass
1076    
1077    o at note/attachment to documents shown via browser to inform user about backups made
1078      (link to backup-locations/-urls)
1079    
1080    o search::admintools before actually starting a ToolHierarchy|ToolTree
1081    
1082    o http://www.netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/SampleTasks/joko_2003-01.html
1083      Torus::Publish::ReWeb <-> Torus::Publish::ResearchWeb ???
1084    
1085    o search::IMAPFilter
1086    
1087    o QoS for apt-get!!!  (http or ftp to x.debian.org or uni-erlangen.de (parse /etc/apt/sources.list!!!))
1088    
1089    x jonen makes the words: integraded! yeah!
1090    
1091    o Develop a metadata-model (preferably stored inside an LDAP-daemon),
1092      which can hold information about Host <-> vHost <-> Service(s).
1093      This would enhance the Host <-> [posix]Account model currently in development.
1094      o Also associate the [posix]Accounts with an AddressBook! (AddressBook <-> ProprietaryAddressBook)
1095      o Also associate MailRouting with that [posix]Accounts
1096      => this has to be implemented:
1097        0. already in development: Host <-> posixAccount, Host <-> MailRouting
1098        1. tbd: Host <-> vHost <-> Service(s)
1099        2. tbd: posixAccount <-> AddressBook
1100        3. tbd: posixAccount <-> MailRouting
1101    
1102    o use [rss2email|http://www.w3.org/2002/09/rss2email/]
1103      -> that's it: news//rss -> rss2email
1104      -> choose a web-based rss-reader from http://blogspace.com/rss/readers
1105      o LookAt::[ModIndexRSS|http://software.tangent.org/projects.pl?view=mod_index_rss]
1106        also look at "mod_repository for Apache" there!!!
1107    
1108    o close down almost everything on h1.service.netfrag.org
1109      o ntop
1110      o apache
1111      o mysql
1112      o vsd
1113      o write (success-)story!!!
1114    
1115    o note about workflow / FAQ: what about old root-emails on the main-host?
1116      x purged old mboxes
1117        -> just purge them? (admin-action: approve purge!)
1118        #> cd /var/spool/mail
1119        #> >root      (updated recently)
1120        #> >service      (updated recently)
1121        #> rm netsaint      (last entry: Date/Time: Thu Jan 23 14:32:48 CET 2003)
1122      o Write MiniHowTo: How to check if a mbox contains mud-only? try 'formail'!
1123        #> cat {mbox-file} | formail -I "" | less
1124        from 'man formail':
1125           To extract the header from a message:
1126                  formail -X ""
1127           or
1128                  sed -e '/^$/ q'
1129    
1130           To extract the body from a message:
1131                  formail -I ""
1132           or
1133                  sed -e '1,/^$/ d'
1134      x purged old mboxes:
1135        #> rm rfms      (last entry: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:45:01 +0100)
1136        #> rm jonen     (last entry: Jun 25  2002)
1137        
1138        
1139    
1140    o convert diffs of this file to rss-chunks to be able to feed them to a RecentChanged Page or arbitrary rss-aggregators
1141    
1142    o make up an "edit"-mode of this document:
1143      o WorkFlow: "Make a personal WishList from items of another users TaskList."
1144      o ToImplement: KISS, Click & Go
1145    
1146    o x.netfrag.org - a server made up of WebServices
1147    
1148    x glossary::KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid
1149      LookAt::http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci521694,00.html
1150      <paste>
1151        <title>KISS Principle</title>
1152        The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) Principle is self-descriptive and recognizes two things:
1153        1. People (including product and service users) generally want things that are simple,
1154            meaning easy to learn and use.
1155        2. A company that makes products or furnishes services may find simplicity an advantage
1156            for the company as well, since it tends to shorten time and reduce cost.
1157            (Where the company is trying to use the principle on behalf of users, however,
1158            design time may take longer and cost more, but the net effect will be beneficial since
1159            easy-to-learn-and-use products and services tend to be cheaper to produce and service in the long run.)
1160        The New Hacker's Dictionary, edited by Eric Raymond, says the the KISS Principle
1161        is sometimes cited on a development project to fend off "creeping featurism."
1162      </paste>
1163      SeeAlso::[Ockham's razor|http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci212684,00.html]
1164    
1165    o look how Horde looks with the current 'chora'-stylesheet...
1166    
1167    o dsu2html: aggregate outputs from dsu to one or more linked html page(s)
1168    
1169    o server- & tool-consolidation (moonX, toolX)
1170    
1171    o phpDocumentIndex should get different "modes":
1172      o ViewMode (normal, twingled, etc.)
1173      o ParsedMode (into rss-chunks by diff2rss)
1174      o RevisionMode (per file, if .ext == ',v')
1175      
1176    o generic framework to build a backend for a web-based ProductBuilder (like alternate's PC-Builder and many others)
1177      o Zwischensumme
1178    
1179    o komplan.com - Homepage!!!
1180    
1181    o translate selfhtml?
1182    
1183    o search::[php & rss & Dublin Core]
1184    
1185    o "what happens if 'dispatchmail' prints something to the console" or ...
1186      "check out how to let dispatchmail append stuff to /var/log/syslog"
1187    
1188    x modified routing of netsaint-mails:
1189      netsaint@h1.service.netfrag.org -> service@h1.service.netfrag.org -> ...
1190        'service' is a local posix account...
1191        'service' is mapped to 'alert@service.netfrag.org', '\service' in /etc/mail/aliases on h1.service.netfrag.org
1192      ... -> SMTP -> MX:quepasa.netfrag.org ->
1193        'alert' is a virtual user mapped to local posix user 'gateway' in /etc/mail/virtusertable on quepasa.netfrag.org
1194        'gateway' is also a service-account - purpose: forward/copy smtp-mail to other locations
1195      -> nfo.support@news.netfrag.org
1196        now the mail gets posted to 'nfo.support' at news.netfrag.org (via nntp)
1197    

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