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# Line 460  o Twingle! Line 556  o Twingle!
556    o twingle -> dispatchmail (Twingle::Mail)    o twingle -> dispatchmail (Twingle::Mail)
557    o twingle -> twingledoc (Twingle::Doc)    o twingle -> twingledoc (Twingle::Doc)
558    
559  o refactor to "twingled/":  o update www.netfrag.org
560    o http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/topics/    o refactor to "twingled/":
561    o http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/SampleTasks/      o http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/topics/
562  o update http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/topics.html      o http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/SampleTasks/
563      o update http://netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/topics.html
564    
565  x re-enable Yakka  x re-enable Yakka
566    
# Line 622  x setup org.droogs--Autodia: location ht Line 719  x setup org.droogs--Autodia: location ht
719            
720  o quick (javascript) search for netfrag.org and packages.debian.org (xul?)  o quick (javascript) search for netfrag.org and packages.debian.org (xul?)
721    
722  o phpDirectoryIndex: include Joshua Eichhorns 'auth' [[http://cvs.joshuaeichorn.com/cvsweb.cgi/auth/]]  o phpDirectoryIndex:
723      o integrate Joshua Eichhorns 'auth' [[http://cvs.joshuaeichorn.com/cvsweb.cgi/auth/]]
724      o hide more entries: e.g. 'CVS' (declare as "cvs-repository-metadata" - "hidden by default")
725    
726  @lookat http://cvs.joshuaeichorn.com/cvsweb.cgi/phpXmlTransform/  @lookat http://cvs.joshuaeichorn.com/cvsweb.cgi/phpXmlTransform/
727    
# Line 698  o Yakka: (javascript-control): Line 797  o Yakka: (javascript-control):
797    
798  x root@quepasa:/data# apt-get install pdumpfs  x root@quepasa:/data# apt-get install pdumpfs
799    
800    o final solution for the libxml-problem?
801      root@quepasa:/home/service/backup# apt-get --fix-broken --show-upgraded --simulate dist-upgrade
802        Reading Package Lists... Done
803        Building Dependency Tree... Done
804        Correcting dependencies... Done
805        Calculating Upgrade... Done
806        The following packages will be REMOVED:
807          libxslt1 php4-domxml
808        0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
809        Remv libxslt1 (1.0.27-1 ) [php4-domxml ]
810        Remv php4-domxml (4:4.2.3-11 )
811      root@quepasa:/tmp# apt-get install pdumpfs
812        Reading Package Lists... Done
813        Building Dependency Tree... Done
814        You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
815        Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
816          libxslt1: Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.5.0-1) but 2.4.19-4 is to be installed
817          php4-domxml: Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.5.0-1) but 2.4.19-4 is to be installed
818        E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
819      x dpkg --force-depends -r libxml2
820      o dpkg-liftpackage libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386.deb 2.5.0-1
821        x dpkg-deb -x libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386.deb fakepkg
822        x dpkg-deb -e libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386.deb
823        x mv DEBIAN fakepkg/
824        x dpkg-deb --build fakepkg libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386_fake_2.5.0-1.deb
825        x dpkg -i libxml2_2.4.19-4_i386_fake_2.5.0-1.deb
826    
827    o update www.netfrag.org
828    o announce on www.netfrag.org
829      o api-doc
830      o packages.netfrag.org (libxml2!)
831      o autogenerate:
832        o api-doc & diags
833        o twingle
834    
835    o ->search.netfrag.org/ruby
836    
837    o install and use 'monit' to monitor uml's!
838    
839    o refactor Yakka::YakkaSetup
840    
841    o quepasa - Error: AMaViS
842    
843       <screen>
844        Starting AMaViS Daemons: amavis-milter amavisd
845        Can't locate Razor/Client.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0 /usr/share/perl/5.8.0 /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 54.
846        BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 54.
847       </screen>
848    
849      - probably because of perl-5.8.0?
850    
851      x apt-get install razor   #)§$&(
852      solution:
853        x dpkg --force-depends -r razor
854        x wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/razor/razor_1.20-1_all.deb
855        x dpkg -i razor_1.20-1_all.deb
856         => depends on 'libtime-hires-perl', so:
857          x wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libt/libtime-hires-perl/libtime-hires-perl_1.20-4_i386.deb
858          x dpkg -i libtime-hires-perl_1.20-4_i386.deb
859            dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libtime-hires-perl:
860             libtime-hires-perl depends on perlapi-5.6.0; however:
861              Package perlapi-5.6.0 is not installed.
862              ;-( /)(%(/$%%&$
863        => removing dependencies about everything from razor1-package
864          x dpkg -x razor_1.20-1_all.deb razor
865          x dpkg -r razor_1.20-1_all.deb
866          x mv DEBIAN/ razor/
867          x do: remove line 'Depends:' from DEBIAN/control
868          [x chmod -R 0755 razor/DEBIAN/] maybe!  (if: dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775))
869          x dpkg -b razor razor_1.20-1_all_nodeps.deb
870          x cp razor_1.20-1_all_nodeps.deb /data/Packages/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/
871        =>
872          x dpkg -i /data/Packages/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/razor_1.20-1_all_nodeps.deb
873        => [test]
874          x /etc/init.d/amavis-milter start
875           <screen>
876            Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so' for module Time::HiRes: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so: undefined symbol: PL_stack_max at /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/DynaLoader.pm line 225.
877             at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 46
878            Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 46.
879            BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/amavisd line 46.      
880           </screen>
881        => [CPAN-install]
882          x perl -MCPAN -e "install Time::HiRes"
883           <screen>
884              [...]
885              compile -- compile -- compile
886              [...]
887              Running make install
888              Installing /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so
889              Files found in blib/arch: installing files in blib/lib into architecture dependent library tree
890              Installing /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/Time/HiRes.pm
891              Installing /usr/share/man/man3/Time::HiRes.3pm
892              Writing /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/auto/Time/HiRes/.packlist
893              Appending installation info to /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/perllocal.pod
894                /usr/bin/make install  -- OK
895           </screen>
896    
897      x probably because of perl-5.8.0? yes!  --  is it fixed now? let's try...  (again)
898          x /etc/init.d/amavis-milter restart
899            no! same error as above!
900          the problem is:
901          watch the output of 'perl -V' - at the bottom:
902          <screen>
903            Characteristics of this binary (from libperl):
904              Compile-time options: MULTIPLICITY USE_ITHREADS USE_LARGE_FILES PERL_IMPLICIT_CONTEXT
905              Built under linux
906              Compiled at Feb 17 2003 12:38:57
907              @INC:
908                /etc/perl
909                /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.0
910                /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.0
911                /usr/lib/perl5
912                /usr/share/perl5
913                /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0
914                /usr/share/perl/5.8.0
915                /usr/local/lib/site_perl
916                .
917          </screen>
918    
919          The bad one is the "old" shared object coming with Time::HiRes for perl-5.6.1 living at
920          /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so.
921          
922          We have these options:
923            1. delete this stuff
924            2. put a better version at '.'
925            3. place line '/usr/lib/perl/5.8.0' above of '/usr/lib/perl5'
926            4. copy stuff from '/usr/lib/perl/5.8.0' to '/usr/lib/perl5'
927          
928          Hmmm.....
929            I think i'll choose option 1.:
930            x rm -rf /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time/HiRes
931            (or if you don't wanna be as brute-force)
932            x cd /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Time
933            x mv HiRes HiRes.old
934            
935        => let's try again:      
936          x /etc/init.d/amavis-milter restart
937            Time::HiRes object version 1.42 does not match bootstrap parameter 01.20 at /usr/lib/perl/5.8.0/DynaLoader.pm line 245.
938    
939        => ahhh...  (also testable via 'perl -MTime::HiRes')
940          x dpkg --force-depends -r libtime-hires-perl
941          => my fault! ;-)
942    
943      => so, everything works fine now....
944          x /etc/init.d/amavis-milter restart
945        
946    o BER.pm:  BER (Basic Encoding Rules) encoding and decoding.
947    
948    o use a common [[http://razor.sourceforge.net/artistic.html|"Artistic License"]]?
949    
950    o use pdumpfs!
951    
952    o what we build seems similar to Torque <-> Maven  (Tangram|XyZ+Data::Storage <-> nfo-libs|rap)
953    
954    o write meta-documentation about why it's required to lift version-numbers of debian-packages
955      -> Why dpkg-liftversion?
956      1. yakka: libxml2!!!
957      2. amavis-milter: razor-1-branch-required
958    
959    o installing pdumpfs as system-wide backup-system:
960      x mkdir -p /home/service/virtual/pdumpfs/var/data
961      x mkdir -p /home/service/virtual/pdumpfs/var/log
962      x cd /usr/local/bin
963      x ln -s /home/service/virtual/pdumpfs/backup .
964    
965    o feature: BrowsableBackup:
966      o missing: authentication via LDAP....
967    
968    o make up toolpack from shortcuts/*, dispatchmail, backup (->pdumpfs), etc...
969      ->packages.service.netfrag.org
970      -->/usr/local/bin
971      
972    o one account - three services:
973      o wiki
974      o news
975      o backup
976      (o ssh) (not-a-must)
977    
978    o dpkg-modcontrol!!!
979    
980    o robinson - purge package dependencies from .deb- or .rpm-packages
981      can alien do that?
982    
983    o rsync working: view from the server-side:
984     3968 ?        R      0:40 rsync --server --sender -vulogDtprz . /home/service/backup/
985    
986    x finally: we have a backup-system!
987      - built on top of pdumpfs (ruby!), gets triggered by cron through shortcut-script 'backup'
988      - backs up:
989        x /home/*   (except /home/service)
990        x /data/bin  (approx. 9.2M)
991        x /data/libs  (approx. 1.7M)
992        x /data/opt  (approx. 27M)
993        o /data/var  (approx. 104M)
994          o mysql-db
995          o news-spool
996        o /data/www  (approx. 126M)
997          x /data/www/virtual/lashlarue  (approx. 28M)
998          x /data/www/virtual/netfrag  (approx. 68M)
999          x /data/www/virtual/wac  (approx. 4M)
1000      o productive backup should go to /var/pdumpfs (similar to /var/backup) instead of /home/service/virtual/pdumpfs!!!
1001      o prevent recursive backups (what happens if the backup directory itself would be specified to backup???)
1002      => #> crontab -e
1003            adding line: 03 03 * * * bash /home/service/virtual/agent/backup_all
1004      o limit size of files that are backuped without user-request!?! (2MB, 10MB, 100MB, 1G)
1005    
1006    o establish logfile-rotation with logrotate!!!
1007      #> cd /data/www/virtual/lashlarue/log
1008      #> gzip access_log
1009      #> gzip error_log
1010    
1011    o more todos:
1012      x clean more diskspace
1013        - How to find files larger than, hmm, let's say: 512MB?
1014          use 'dus'! [Disk Usage Sorter]
1015          http://marginalhacks.com/bin/dus
1016        - now disk-usage-stats are prepared to be generated at service.netfrag.org (dus/fbf)
1017    
1018        - h1.service.netfrag.org
1019          /dev/hda7             38570848  33162404   5408444  86% /
1020    
1021    
1022        o /home/uml/skels aufräumen!
1023      o draw more diagrams
1024      o let 'monit' monitor our umls
1025        - together with heartbeat!
1026      o make more backups
1027        databases: code (repository) and rdbms-sql (mysql)
1028    
1029    o look in /var/log/syslog after crash! (other logfiles?)
1030    
1031    o h1.service.netfrag.org:
1032      rjoko@h1:/home/uml/helo # monit
1033      monit: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1034      rjoko@h1:/home/uml/helo # deleeeeete backup!!! is it reeaaady?
1035    
1036    x h1.service.netfrag.org - ssh-upgrade [security] (2.9p2 -> 2.9.9p2)
1037      rjoko@h1:~ # ssh -V
1038      OpenSSH_2.9p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090602f  
1039      rjoko@h1:~ # rpm -U ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/7.3/sec1/openssh.rpm
1040      rjoko@h1:~ # ssh -V
1041      OpenSSH_2.9.9p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090602f
1042    
1043    o what about legolas?
1044    
1045    o search-shortcut to rpmfind.net
1046    
1047    o request to hetzner:
1048      please delete handle "CNO: MM458-ABC"...
1049    
1050    o update www.netfrag.org
1051      o prevent errors like seen on http://netfrag.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/joko/virtual/joko_mail/
1052    
1053    o update www.netfrag.org
1054      x HomePage (phpWiki::Index): remove yakka's "to be repaired" - line
1055      o Overview: add link to DocumentIndex at section 'Documentation'
1056      x update links (jonen's docs/software, etc.)
1057      o rename http://netfrag.org/docs/build/ to http://netfrag.org/docs/.build/ or http://netfrag.org/docs/@build/
1058      o rename http://netfrag.org/docs/topics/caesar/ to http://netfrag.org/docs/topics/sysadmin/ ???
1059      x add new items to sections
1060      x update/enhance news-section (Overview, Details)
1061    
1062    o run broken-link-finder on www.netfrag.org
1063      -> find nice project!
1064    
1065    o infra for www.netfrag.org
1066      o make this shortcut possible: http://netfrag.org/Overview
1067    
1068    o account for jonen@www.netfrag.org--phpWiki::*
1069    
1070    o twingle:
1071      render 'o' and/or 'x' symbols as checkboxes other users can use to enable/prioritize tasks
1072    
1073    o backup eagle.netfrag.org!!!
1074    
1075    o enhance backup-system
1076      LookAt::http://www.netfrag.org/webnews/article.php?id=320&group=nfo.links.computing
1077    
1078    o LookAt = MIME-compliant multi-glass
1079    
1080    o at note/attachment to documents shown via browser to inform user about backups made
1081      (link to backup-locations/-urls)
1082    
1083    o search::admintools before actually starting a ToolHierarchy|ToolTree
1084    
1085    o http://www.netfrag.org/~joko/computing/overview/topics/SampleTasks/joko_2003-01.html
1086      Torus::Publish::ReWeb <-> Torus::Publish::ResearchWeb ???
1087    
1088    o search::IMAPFilter
1089    
1090    o QoS for apt-get!!!  (http or ftp to x.debian.org or uni-erlangen.de (parse /etc/apt/sources.list!!!))
1091    
1092    x jonen makes the words: integraded! yeah!
1093    
1094    o Develop a metadata-model (preferably stored inside an LDAP-daemon),
1095      which can hold information about Host <-> vHost <-> Service(s).
1096      This would enhance the Host <-> [posix]Account model currently in development.
1097      o Also associate the [posix]Accounts with an AddressBook! (AddressBook <-> ProprietaryAddressBook)
1098      o Also associate MailRouting with that [posix]Accounts
1099      => this has to be implemented:
1100        0. already in development: Host <-> posixAccount, Host <-> MailRouting
1101        1. tbd: Host <-> vHost <-> Service(s)
1102        2. tbd: posixAccount <-> AddressBook
1103        3. tbd: posixAccount <-> MailRouting
1104    
1105    o use [rss2email|http://www.w3.org/2002/09/rss2email/]
1106      -> that's it: news//rss -> rss2email
1107      -> choose a web-based rss-reader from http://blogspace.com/rss/readers
1108      o LookAt::[ModIndexRSS|http://software.tangent.org/projects.pl?view=mod_index_rss]
1109        also look at "mod_repository for Apache" there!!!
1110    
1111    o close down almost everything on h1.service.netfrag.org
1112      o ntop
1113      o apache
1114      o mysql
1115      o vsd
1116      o write (success-)story!!!
1117    
1118    # --- bookmark, 2003-03-13 00:43
1119    
1120    o note about workflow / FAQ: what about old root-emails on the main-host?
1121      x purged old mboxes
1122        -> just purge them? (admin-action: approve purge!)
1123        #> cd /var/spool/mail
1124        #> >root      (updated recently)
1125        #> >service      (updated recently)
1126        #> rm netsaint      (last entry: Date/Time: Thu Jan 23 14:32:48 CET 2003)
1127      o Write MiniHowTo: How to check if a mbox contains mud-only? try 'formail'!
1128        #> cat {mbox-file} | formail -I "" | less
1129        from 'man formail':
1130           To extract the header from a message:
1131                  formail -X ""
1132           or
1133                  sed -e '/^$/ q'
1134    
1135           To extract the body from a message:
1136                  formail -I ""
1137           or
1138                  sed -e '1,/^$/ d'
1139                  
1140      !!!!!!    no - this doesn't work - 'formail' is not for reading whole 'mbox'-format    !!!!!!
1141      
1142      use this:
1143        #> mutt -f <mbox-file>
1144          
1145      x purged old mboxes:
1146        #> rm rfms      (last entry: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:45:01 +0100)
1147        #> rm jonen     (last entry: Jun 25  2002)
1148        
1149        
1150    
1151    o convert diffs of this file to rss-chunks to be able to feed them to a RecentChanged Page or arbitrary rss-aggregators
1152    
1153    o make up an "edit"-mode of this document:
1154      o WorkFlow: "Make a personal WishList from items of another users TaskList."
1155      o ToImplement: KISS, Click & Go
1156    
1157    o x.netfrag.org - a server made up of WebServices
1158    
1159    x glossary::KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid
1160      LookAt::http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci521694,00.html
1161      <paste>
1162        <title>KISS Principle</title>
1163        The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) Principle is self-descriptive and recognizes two things:
1164        1. People (including product and service users) generally want things that are simple,
1165            meaning easy to learn and use.
1166        2. A company that makes products or furnishes services may find simplicity an advantage
1167            for the company as well, since it tends to shorten time and reduce cost.
1168            (Where the company is trying to use the principle on behalf of users, however,
1169            design time may take longer and cost more, but the net effect will be beneficial since
1170            easy-to-learn-and-use products and services tend to be cheaper to produce and service in the long run.)
1171        The New Hacker's Dictionary, edited by Eric Raymond, says the the KISS Principle
1172        is sometimes cited on a development project to fend off "creeping featurism."
1173      </paste>
1174      SeeAlso::[Ockham's razor|http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci212684,00.html]
1175    
1176    o look how Horde looks with the current 'chora'-stylesheet...
1177    
1178    # --- bookmark, 2003-03-13 00:43
1179    
1180    o dus2html:
1181      o aggregate outputs from dus to one or more linked html page(s)
1182      o run in interval (cron!)
1183    
1184    o server- & tool-consolidation (moonX, toolX)
1185    
1186    o phpDocumentIndex should get different "modes":
1187      o ViewMode (normal, twingled, etc.)
1188      o ParsedMode (into rss-chunks by diff2rss)
1189      o RevisionMode (per file, if .ext == ',v')
1190      
1191    o generic framework to build a backend for a web-based ProductBuilder (like alternate's PC-Builder and many others)
1192      o Zwischensumme
1193    
1194    o komplan.com - Homepage!!!
1195    
1196    o translate selfhtml?
1197    
1198    o search::[php & rss & Dublin Core]
1199    
1200    o "what happens if 'dispatchmail' prints something to the console" or ...
1201      "check out how to let dispatchmail append stuff to /var/log/syslog"
1202    
1203    x modified routing of netsaint-mails:
1204      netsaint@h1.service.netfrag.org -> service@h1.service.netfrag.org -> ...
1205        'service' is a local posix account...
1206        'service' is aliased to 'alert@service.netfrag.org, \service' in /etc/mail/aliases on h1.service.netfrag.org
1207      ... -> SMTP -> MX:quepasa.netfrag.org ->
1208        'alert' is a virtual user mapped to local posix user 'gateway' in /etc/mail/virtusertable on quepasa.netfrag.org
1209        'gateway' is also a service-account - purpose: forward/copy smtp-mail to other locations
1210      -> nfo.support@news.netfrag.org
1211        now the mail gets posted to 'nfo.support' at news.netfrag.org (via nntp)
1212    
1213    o why does quepasa.netfrag.org crash regularly?
1214    

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